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== ARIA role ==

To be honest, I'm kind of on the fence as to what the ARIA role should've been here @[[User:Izno|Izno]]. I was onboard with navigation, but I've been reading ARIA more and more, and from what I saw at [[Robert_Redford#Citations ]] as an example, was waaay too many navigation elements. The banner/toolbar from Wikipedia has three already I think, if not more. The article has over 20 navboxes, which leads to so many high-level DOM navigation elements that clutter the heading lists made by Voiceover for example. I've looked at the other roles available [https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/landmarks/], [https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/landmarks/examples/region.html] as it's sufficiently important that with an ARIA label pointing to the heading as a baseline, which should be possible to be overriden by the user, but the heading should be wrapped in a span+ID, and the ID referred to by the element given role=navigation aria-labelledby=ID <span class="fn nickname" style="color:#CD0000">[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span> 13:52, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

:I'm unsure if it possibly matches [https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/apg/patterns/disclosure/examples/disclosure-navigation/ this 'Disclosure' example] from the newest ARIA Authoring Practices Guide draft, if it's enough "high-level top domain links" because it really isn't for the most part... or if it's something else like role=region being a bit plainer <span class="fn nickname" style="color:#CD0000">[[User:Waddie96|waddie96]] ★ ([[User talk:Waddie96|talk]])</span> 13:55, 19 September 2025 (UTC)

== Rfc: Deprecation of the image and imageleft parameters ==
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'''''Involved, informal close''': I am informally closing this discussion as '''snow oppose'''. It wasn't really an RFC, and I am involved in the discussion, but I hope it won't be objectionable for me to put a hat on this discussion.'' – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 01:35, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

The <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters to be deprecated --[[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|talk]]) 16:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

When looking at many navboxes such as [[Template:Donald Trump]], these images violate [[WP:DECOR]], and the <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters should be deprecated and not to be used for new work. This is a statement from [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Encyclopedic purpose|Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons §&nbsp;Encyclopedic purpose]] on when and when not to use images in articles:

<blockquote>Icons should serve an encyclopedic purpose and not merely be decorative. They should provide additional useful information on the article subject, serve as visual cues that aid the reader's comprehension, or improve navigation. Icons should not be added only because they look good: one reader's harmless decoration may be another reader's distraction. An icon is purely decorative if it does not improve comprehension of the article subject and serves no navigational function. Where icons are used for layout purposes only, consider using bullet points as an alternative.</blockquote>

In order to comply with the [[WP:DECOR]] guideline, I think deprecating the <code>image</code> and <code>imageleft</code> parameters would make more sense than having to create a guideline inside [[Wikipedia:Navigation template#Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative|Wikipedia:Navigation template §&nbsp;Navigation templates are not arbitrarily decorative]]. --[[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:6180:6290:B0E2:DAA1:CCE8:7D41|talk]]) 16:53, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
=== Survey ===
*'''Oppose''' as written. The images at [[Template:Donald Trump]] are not icons. The OP appears to misunderstand what an [[Icon (computing)]] is. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 22:46, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Per {{noping|Jonesey95}}  - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 22:58, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', nothing about images in the language, only icons. Apples and baked potatoes. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 01:24, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''', been here, discussed this. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 02:42, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' that prohibition on icons only applies to the article body. Otherwise, templates such as {{tl|refimprove}} and {{tl|Footy-stub}} would also be in violation. <span class="nowrap">--[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User talk:Ahecht|<b style="color:#FFF;background:#04A;display:inline-block;padding:1px;vertical-align:middle;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</b>]])</span> 16:32, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===
* Documenting what, if any, [[WP:RFCBEFORE]] has taken place, would be appreciated. Also, this discussion though named an RFC does not have a {{tl|rfc}} and I do not know if that is intentional. [[User:Izno|Izno]] ([[User talk:Izno|talk]]) 23:44, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
* This proposal has already been formulated at [[Wikipedia talk:Categories, lists, and navigation templates/Archive 16#Images in navboxes (again)]]. For starters, the quoted page is about '''icons''' and does not apply here. [[User:Cambalachero|Cambalachero]] ([[User talk:Cambalachero|talk]]) 02:41, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
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==Sync with sandbox==
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Better table semantics ([[Template:Navbox with columns]]' column headers now use <code><nowiki><th></nowiki></code> instead of <code><nowiki><td></nowiki></code>).  [[user:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#c20;text-decoration:underline">sapphaline</span>]] ([[user talk:sapphaline|<span class="skin-nightmode-reset-color" style="color:#236;text-decoration:underline">talk</span>]]) 13:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

{{done}}—Please report any issues. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 14:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

== Derived template does not update links ==

In template [[Template:Bilasuvar District]]  I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ABilasuvar_District&diff=1328786952&oldid=1260638899 disambiguated one item]. I know ity usually takes some time to propagate the backlinks, it usually takes a couple hours. But in this case nearly 24h passed, and still wrong [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ashim "pages that link to"]. When I click on the chanhed item in template, [Ashim, Azerbaijan|Ashim] it opens correct page, but this page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Ashim,_Azerbaijan is not linked] from other artiicles tgaht contain this template. Any suggestions? --[[user:Altenmann|Altenmann]] [[user talk:Altenmann|>talk]] 20:33, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
:Patience is the best answer. The job queue will get to it in somewhere between a few hours and a few days, usually. If you are impatient, you can null-edit the affected pages. I have done so for you. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 15:55, 24 December 2025 (UTC)